Ayurvedic Medicine and Traditional Healing Wisdom

The past should never be discounted. We should learn from it and even embrace the ideas and strategies that our predecessors laid before us. We believe that this is especially true when it comes to methods of natural healing that have existed for thousands of years. Of course, technological advances are not a bad thing. We appreciate modern conveniences like indoor plumbing and life-saving medical technologies and aren’t negating their usefulness. But our lives of convenience often come at the cost of our health, and we can learn much from looking to our ancestors, the foods they ate, and the way they lived.


Meet Amber Lynn Vitale, BA, CN:

 Amber first obtained a BA in 1994 from Colorado College, and then went on to pursue her passion in bodywork and nutrition.  Her massage training started in 1996 in California at the Alchemy Institute for the Healing Arts, continued with post-graduate studies at Ohio University in osteopathy. She became a Licensed Certified Nutritionist through American Health Sciences University/National Institute for Nutritional Education in 2000, then went on to study Ayurvedic Medicine through The Florida Vedic College and Drs. Bryan and Light Miller. She worked for years under the direction of top Integrative physicians and practitioners of Functional Medicine and Integrative Nutrition. Amber practices as an Educator in Ayurveda and Holistic Nutrition. Ayurveda draws on thousands of years of experience utilizing foods, herbs, body treatments, and lifestyle changes to achieve balance and prevent disease. As Nature’s Formulary Director of Ayurvedic Education, Amber was responsible for designing and creating all of Nature’s Formulary’s consumer and retailer Ayurvedic education materials including video and audio programs, Dosha based lifestyle plans, diet and cleansing programs, Ayurvedic Massage routines and more.

In addition, she was involved in developing educational sales support materials, and third party literature. Amber  advised Nature’s Formulary on new product introductions. Amber also serves on both the Taste for Life and Natural Practitioner select Editorial Advisory Boards as an authoritative practitioner to provide readers with insight and perspective that will help them build and better their practices and their health.  As content providers, the Natural Practitioner Board members present key editorial perspectives highlighting their expertise and professional experiences as well as illuminating their perspectives on current trends in practice. Additionally, Amber is a contributing writer for Holistic Primary Care-News for Health & Healing; and Remedies and Taste For Life, Lifestyle-Ink publications, leading in-store natural, organic and wellness magazines. She has also provided video educational content for the Health and Nutrition Virtual Show and the Taste for Life Vlog. She loves to practice yoga, eat fabulous foods, hike in the mountains with her family, travel to other countries to experience new cultures, and educate herself and others about health and wellness whenever possible. Amber is now a full time Regional Educator for Garden of Life where she happily has the opportunity to educate and speak, bringing health awareness to many parts of the Eastern United States.


Some Points We Discuss:

  • 4:23 – Wisdom in the information age.
  • 5:54 – What is Ayurveda?
  • 8:20 – Why the world wants us to be a victim in our health.
  • 12:39 – Most changes start with the foods we eat.
  • 14:42 – Nutrient depletion in our food is a big problem.
  • 17:40 – Soil based organisms and regenerative farming.
  • 19:39 – Pills and powders can’t replace good quality whole foods.
  • 21:31 – Balance is everything.
  • 27:06 – Amber’s trifecta for optimal health.
  • 32:40 – Don’t buy cheap, garbage supplements.

Amber Vitale 0:00
I mean, we know in our Vedic medicine that 1000s of years ago, I mean, we just want to say 2000 years ago in the written information, but it goes way further back than that. They knew about atoms they knew about molecules, they knew about our temperatures they knew about the importance of, do you run hot? Do you run cold? Do you run dry? Do you run moist? You know, are you a stimulated person? Are you a lethargic person, they knew how important this was to your functioning. And that how you eat and how you interact in your daily life is going to affect that positively or negatively.

Brian Strickland 0:37
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Ed Jones 1:00
I want to welcome you today, Amber Vitale, Amberlynn, mentaly, to Nutritionals podcast, and thank you for coming all the way from Montana to join us. You know, I’ve spoke and I’ve actually written I wrote a small ebook, and was there actually printed, called How to be super healthy and how to not be sick all the time was kind of the the book’s content. But in that I talked about this word, ancient wisdom, I kept going back to this intuition that I had that we’re going to talk about today, which is something that a lot of society has discounted, and kind of had built around the area of health, that you got to have a PhD to figure out what to eat, how to be healthy, and you really don’t, because the ancients, and especially even animals have instincts to know how to put together a plan to maintain optimal and superior health. And so today, you have a great amount of experience, certified nutritionist, our Vedic practitioner, National Educator for Garden of Life. And we’re going to talk today about some of your insights as to the connection to this ancient wisdom regarding our health. So welcome,

Amber Vitale 2:15
thank you so much, it’s great to be here. I did fly all the way from Montana.

Ed Jones 2:19
I know, I’m so gifted, that you’re able and willing to do that for us. You know, fortunately, this podcast is becoming quite popular. And because we can spread the word very easily, because this is the content that spreads words is podcasting these days. And, you know, I’m looking at a lot of content that’s out there. And, you know, back when Google changed the algorithms about four years ago, it really changed the ability of normal society to find good health information, because what used to be on page one, or two or three is now buried in page 48. So you never get to it. That’s because it’s being manipulated in order to reach a certain agenda, which is not holistic, nutrition, healthy eating in most cases. So that’s, I feel like it’s my job, it’s my legacy to put together partnering like you, with people who understand and have observed and have worked for many, many years in this area of, I would say, less traditional health, certainly non far less pharmaceutical interventions, and really taking control of our health through education. And I say this a lot. And I have in the past, probably too much, I’d separate the world in two classes of people, one of which is either learners or non learners. And if you don’t have to be a learner about a lot of things in life, and you can still tread water pretty well. But with health, because there’s such an agenda, to make us victims to get us on 17 pharmaceuticals a year. If you’re not a learner, you’re going to be a victim, one of the two. And so I want us to help educate people on this. So we’re gonna go back to the title of ancient wisdom. And that has to do with kind of the great grandmama wisdom that we used to have about, you know, what should we do when we’re sick? What should we do to stay healthy? And these were people who didn’t even really have much schooling and this because we didn’t even you know, we’re talking 60 years ago, there wasn’t a whole lot of information out there. But really, a lot of is still common sense, isn’t it?

Amber Vitale 4:23
You know, what we’re missing out is the power of observation. Because we’re fed so much information, it started with radio and then TV and now the internet and you know, the social media feeds, we’re just fed, fed, fed, fed fed information and we don’t pause to observe what common sense is is coming out of a power of observation and then contemplation like what am I observing? What does that mean? So when grandma said don’t go out, not cold when without your hat and scarf around. To do that, you know, we were just talking about this. Well, the fact is, if your body temperature drops As a partial degree, your enzymes don’t work as well, your immune system doesn’t work as well, it’s chemical reactions, and therefore you’re more susceptible to the things that are always around you. So, you know, these little bits of information that were come from the power of observation. I mean, we know in Ayurvedic medicine that 1000s of years ago, I mean, we just want to say 2000 years ago in the written information, but it goes way further back than that. They knew about atoms, they knew about molecules, they knew about our temperatures, they knew about the importance of Do you run hot? Do you run cold? Do you run dry? Do you run moist? You know, are you a stimulated person? Are you a lethargic person, they knew how important this was to your functioning. And that how you eat and how you interact in your daily life is going to affect that positively or negatively, you know, and

Ed Jones 5:54
that came obviously from their superior ability to be observing and watching and then learning from that observation. Tell people real quick, our Vedic is as kind of focus a little bit more on the in, in India and that part of the country, or world. And I’ve been a very big fan of our Vedic medicine, because it really has some significant nice benefits. Even from a diagnostic standpoint, I remember going to a physician once it was our Vedic and you know, he take all my pulses, and do the tongue and do the different observations, he gave me some very good information. So that’s been around how long 1000s?

Amber Vitale 6:30
Well, we can we can see in the writings that it’s been around at least 5000 years. But I think a lot of the new archaeological information is showing us that it’s it was around long before that it just was never written down. Because again, it’s actually there’s a really interesting story about that were, once we write things down, we stop using our memory research. This is another thing where things being written in books where you can be like, I don’t really need to remember that I can go look for it. Whereas oral tradition used to be that is the ancient way. And so all things that were important, were passed through oral tradition, which meant you had to work to remember them, you had to work to attain them, you had to be prepared to use them. And so all the most powerful information was passed through oral tradition. So what is written is probably a fraction of what we just once used to know as humans and Ayurvedic wisdom. Our Vedic medicine, Ayurvedic philosophy actually predates Chinese medicine, even. And so you have for me, I’m always like, I always think what went before that what came before that what was before that, what came first, I’ve always had been working my way back in time. So our concept of ancient wisdom, ancestral eating ancestral medicine, we always have to ask, Well, what did we used to do as humans? How did we handle that? How did we live what what was in the food that we ate? How did we put things together? How did we think about things? So our Vedic medicine has a lot of written knowledge about that. And then the rest is you can kind of extrapolate because if you just kind of use your common sense, you can say, oh, you know, I mean, I went to pre med I went to medical school for a year, I studied all this stuff for nutrition, all the sciences, but it wasn’t until I studied aerobatic medicine, everything really clicked. I’ve just a different way of looking at it in our

Ed Jones 8:20
Vedic as many of the ancient wisdom techniques have to do with creating recreating a balance within our system. Because if we are have homeostasis, or real balance chemistry, we’re going to be more immune to sickness, we’re going to live probably longer, we’re going to have better quality life, because the body knows what to do. And we’ve gotten into a world where again, which is an agenda of the world, they want us to be a victim. And as long as we feel victims, you know what, when you’re a victim, you have to look for the rescuer. And the rescuer is the walking clinic, the doctor, the phone call the pharmacies, I will say, and I do this often medical, traditional medicine is amazing. I would not want to live in a world without it. Because if I have an accident, I have a heart attack, I’m not going to drive my car to nutrition world to find the herbs for that particular disorder. If I have a massive UTI, I might have to use, you know, some drugs or something and I’m getting older, and there’ll be a day where I might have to intervene slowly and slightly. But as far as maintaining health, I’m not it’s really a disaster. It truly is because the average person is on about 10 Plus pharmaceuticals per year. And it’s really because they don’t have a toolbox to embrace the other ideas of this world. And we’ve somehow have created the idea that if a person doesn’t have massive textbook, credit, credibility, PhDs MDs, that they’re the only people who know everything well, they don’t. They don’t know anything about ancient wisdom, nothing, or ancestral eating and how it relates to soils which we’re going to talk about here. So I love these kinds of conversations and I want to hopefully break some people out of this mold that it, we have to have constant observation from our medical people to stay healthy. And honestly, and I’ve said this a couple times before, one of the miracles of our history that improved our health, because some people are gonna listen and say, Yeah, but the average lifespan back then was 42 years old. partially true, and partially not the reason that it was so poor, because we didn’t have plumbers, plumbers had been one of the greatest benefits to our health, because when you can’t move your poop and pee away from where you live, you’re going to have disease that is going to be rampant. Once we had plumbers, they did more for health and almost anything else that’s ever been invented. Thank you plumbers, thank you plumbers, yes, because that sanitation is very important. And then secondly, because we had such poor death rates at childbirth between the mother and the child, because we did not accept the fact that sanitation again, was so important over the fever and the gas, X nos, simultaneous, I think was his name was a physician who came up with the idea in that we should start washing physicians should start washing their hands, because it will, it will create much better health unless death within the, the the maternity wards. And he was basically put in an insane asylum and he died there. Because they would not accept his idea that that germs were causing this because the physicians of those days did they went to the morgue before they went to deliver babies. And the more they just they’d never wash their hands. So they would deal with dead people go in and deliver a baby, they had about a 35% death rate. They went down to 1% with his hand washing, but they didn’t believe him. So they stuck him in a prison. And they stuck him in an insane asylum. And he died because of lack of ability to embrace these ideas. So let’s get to the point. I love the fact that you live this life you live basically going back to the ancient kind of primal connection to the earth to the soil to the foods explained, like you did a little bit earlier to me about the connection between all of that and our health and the fact that you don’t have to be rich to follow this plan. You can use common sense again, and you can just make some changes in your life and we can talk about the foods and the supplements. And I want to say real quickly I love the fact that you also said was supplementation, which I rarely say and I should you know what if you don’t have enough funds to to buy a lot of these things. If you just do these two times a week, if you have bought a really great multivitamin, and you took it two times a week, you’re going to benefit from that. That would make the cost so low if you can do that, and I love that idea. Amber

Amber Vitale 12:39
Yeah, where do I start? So I used to live in Brooklyn, New York and before that I lived in Knoxville, Tennessee. So you know, I’ve always been interested in nutrition obviously, I’m a certified nutritionist. Our Vedic medicine is all about food first, right and so I love food. But you realize that all the produce even if you’re in the organic section, even if you’re at a farmers market it’s it’s been scrubbed clean, because that’s what we like to see. today. We you know, the whole sanitation thing we don’t want to see dirt on stuff and bugs kids, my kids, man they see a bug on food forget about if there’s a worm in the broccoli dinner’s over, you know, but this didn’t used to bother our ancestors much, you know, they they were pretty used to that didn’t didn’t didn’t, didn’t faze them at all. So I walked I talked that talk about the connection of our health to the soil. But if there isn’t soil on your produce, you got to put it back in your diet. So this is where the soil based organisms supplements come in, you know, and for Garden of Life, primal defense was the founding product. And it it it is talking about common sense. That is common sense. You know, we are missing this from our diet because it isn’t on our products because we don’t want to see the dirt. Right. So we have to go back to let your kids play in the dirt. You know, I always joke when I was in Brooklyn. If my daughter when she was little right I get by her a nice grass fed burger at the local Burger Joint. She drops it on the floor Patty down, right. And I might pick it up and eat it brush it off. And seriously, mom, yes, I paid $20 For that burger. You pick that up and eat it right? Not on the subway, though. Not on the subway, not in the subway station, you got your limit. So there’s things that are dangerous for you out there that you don’t want to consume. If you’re on a farm, though, fast forward, we moved to Montana. And you know, we’re cultivating the soil we’re composting so that that midden heap of your kitchen scraps turns into something that is like gold for the soil. And the food that is growing in that is getting this whole interaction with a microbiome that makes that food more healthy. There has been an ongoing study, which I’m sure you’re aware of since the 1960s of the nutrient content of our produce of our plant food that is coming out of the soil in this country. And it’s down by half what it was in the 1960s. When did the agricultural revolution the Green Revolution started started after World War Two, once we had figured out how to make the atomic bomb out of nitrogen and then fix nitrogen from the air and then turn it into a synthetic fertilizer and spread it all over farmland, everything grew big nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, but it sucked all that nutrient content out of the soil. If the minerals are not in the soil, they won’t be in the plant. They don’t get put back in the soil spontaneously. They don’t just show up there. They’ve been cultivated over gazillions of years, right? How do you put it back in the soil? Well, we have this tendency as humans, we mow our lawn, we take the cuttings away, we rake our leaves, we put them in a bag and ship them off. We weed we put in a bag and send it away we poop and the plumber pipes it away, right? You know, so all of this takes this nutrition away from the land. So regenerative farming, biodynamic farming, which is it’s an Ayurvedic concept. You know, prior to there being regenerative farming Prior to there being biodynamic farming, that was Berkshire, VEDA, and it goes way, way, way back or you go to the Amazon rainforest. And you look at the Terra Prieta, Amazonian black earth, there are bones in it, there’s traces of fish, there’s traces of human waste, dog waste, they composted everything, to make an environment that supported farming and a huge population that, that rainforests can no longer support that jungle can no longer support that. So we have to regenerate the soil. And I land in Montana on a on a pasture land 25 acres that has been neglected. And there’s no life in the soil. And we have to put it back bit by bit. You have to put soil based organisms back in otherwise, you cannot break down the organic matter. So you can dump you know composted stuff on it all you want. But if there’s no organisms, in that, there’s nothing to break that down. So just learning the relationship between the minerals, boron, I don’t know that much about it. But I have a friend who’s a farmer, boron is missing from our agricultural land. If it’s not in the soil, it’s like a keystone element.

Ed Jones 17:14
But yet the plant will grow without it, it will graow and almost look the same, it will look the same. It’ll have the same caloric content, but boron itself is beneficial for hormones and for osteoporosis, and for a lot of beneficial things. And the we don’t know it’s not in there, because it tastes kind of the same. And it looks kind of the same. Yeah,

Amber Vitale 17:33
it might even look prettier than it did. Yeah. Back then. You know, I mean, my cabbage isn’t beautiful, but it certainly nutritious

Ed Jones 17:40
right? You know, and that connection I think a lot of people have, they don’t, they never connect the fact that that what that food had to go through to get to that grocery store or to that restaurant. And when it’s last, you know, again, the soul based organisms, I’m a huge fan of that I kind of felt like I had a stomach bug coming on to soul based organisms seemed to really take the edge off of that I got better so fast. Because of that. And I’m so connected to regenerative farming, that’s different than organic, organic is important. But that’s not really the farming method for the big time future. We’re depleting the soils to the point we may only have 20 to 30 years left, if we keep losing the nutrients, the nitrogen from these from the lands by farming methods that are now in place. Not they’re starting to change. And again, the little the movie, the biggest little farm sounds like you live that kind of life. And I encourage anyone to watch that it is so interesting about how this couple came into a dead land. And in three years developed it into a garden of Eden basically, with a with a very balanced cohabitation of every single bug and coyote and animal there is, and they figured out how nature really wants it to be right. We we lost that game plan somewhere. Well, part of it was we needed to grow a lot of food. This was very efficient and efficiencies important, but not if it’s a devastating in the long run. And that’s what’s happened to us now. And supplementally. I mean, I don’t see how people could not say even people who are kind of not really into supplements, considering just what we’ve said, How could you think you could be optimally healthy without backing it up with some supplements? Because I eat I make very good choices, but I’m a single guy eat out a lot. I do the very best I can. But I would not go without the backup plan of soul based and and and the things that I always do. And again and again, people can’t afford it. Do it twice a week, it’s going to still be very beneficial.

Unknown Speaker 19:39
Yeah, and pills. I mean, it’s not fun to swallow pills, you know, it’s not eating, making protein powders, greens, powders, it’s not the same as eating there is something about sitting down to a meal that is balanced that has an effect on our emotions, our mind, you know, our spirit and our physical body and that is something that’s very well known. than diabetic medicine, sit down, eat a meal, don’t do it standing up, don’t eat a bar, don’t do it, you know. But supplementation does fill those gaps. And I hear it all the time. I’ve heard it from my family, my entire adult life. You know, I hear it from friends, I hear it from people that I work with, we’ve got a couple that come and do construction on our on our farm. And they’re so funny. They’re just like, Well, my sister, she’s takes all these supplements. So I just don’t want to take a pill and I’m just like, but you have a health problem. I’ll be fine. And I’m like, but your skin doesn’t look healthy. You don’t like can you not see that you need some help there. And I’m not really sure why my advice is falling on deaf ear deaf ears, but it happens. And it happens to you too, I think. And I don’t want people to take pills and powders in place of eating. Yes, you have to sit back observe your own situation, what do you have access to? What are you willing to do? Some people are only willing to take pills. And this is where the the pharmaceutical industry has its foothold. And I get upset with doctors that don’t know anything about nutrition, but in their defense, a lot of their patients won’t listen to any advice other than just give me a pill, let me get out of here.

Ed Jones 21:10
And and they need to meet the patient where the patient is you do have to but also trying to encourage maybe a open more open conversation may be by by giving an example by leading by example and a lot of healthcare practitioners. You know, I mean, there’s there’s clinics right up the road here and they’re back there smoking cigarettes, if their breaks. I mean, those are the health people there’s taking care of us,

Amber Vitale 21:31
at least if I saw them spray some vitamin C spray after smoking the cigarette I’d be at least they know that they have to balance that as right. And we began hacking. I feel like human I love to drink wine. I like to have a cocktail here and there. I love some creme brulee. You know, so I’m going to hack and balance that out. Yes, you know, but when somebody’s really got a health problem, I mean, here’s the compassion part. Edie, if you really have some serious health problems, your decisions really aren’t your own anymore. Because most of the health problems people have come from a messed up gut biome. And that messed up gut biome comes from a messed up food biome in a messed up soil biome and a messed up air biome and a mist of water biome. And their skin biome even is messed up. And really what we know now is that those little micro organisms are making neurotransmitters, and hormones and enzymes and other signaling molecules that are hijacking your brain. So when you say I’m not supposed to be sure, I’m not supposed to eat sugar, I’m not supposed to eat sugar, I’m gonna eat sugar. It’s not just you. It’s not just your willpower willpower alone doesn’t help. And this is where supplementation is so important. Someone like you, your staff, they have to come in and say we’re going to intercept this messaging. And we’re going to intercept it so many times that we can change the message to the brain to where this person, this patient, this customer, this client, suddenly one morning says, I feel like I have a choice over whether I choose cake, or a good egg scramble for breakfast. You know, I feel like I have a choice today. Because before that they didn’t feel like they had a choice. They really don’t feel like they have a choice. Their brain is hijacked. So we have to have compassion. It’s not You’re not overweight, because you have no willpower. You have a gazillion organisms and you screaming eat sugar. And we have to intercept that messaging. And you really can’t do that without supplementation and plays like nutrition world is there to really help people with that. pharmaceutical medication is not there for that. No, that is not what they do. Well, don’t rely on them for that. They do

Ed Jones 23:32
well in acute care and urgent medicine very well, but they don’t do well in the chronic and in the preventative aspect. We have to again take control of our own health. And you know, I’m a huge fan of what we call the core four and really all it is is a green drink, making sure you’re doing the right multivitamin, there’s many to choose from that we are very careful about one Garden of Life is fantastic. And then doing a magnesium and Omega three and then vitamin D. If some I just did that I’ve seen bloodwork chains vary significantly in three months just by doing that alone and we have a lab here and a lot of our clients and customers now are getting what we have put together a preventative package to really look at aging and inflammation and the things that create mitochondrial damage as we get older. And you know, we are not f150 trucks that just one little thing breaks and you fix it and you’re good to go as we age, it’s a synergistic effect and it’s downstream and upstream. If one thing is happening, there’s a lot of things happening you just may see the one thing and so to address this and fix it it takes you know a plan it does and I love the fact that you’re talking about being hijacked because it you know I’ve gotten to a point now where I’ve just put together a plan of eating and lifestyle where I pretty low carbs Monday through Friday at about 60 cars but on weekends, I’ll have my Mexican food. I might have a tiramisu on a Saturday night. That’d be about it. I don’t really have a The cravings because I’ve got the chemistry, right, I’ve got the microbiome, right? And the microbiome is like, you having a family of, let’s just say, a family of 20. If you lived on the farm with 20 people, and you were all in the same kind of community, and you were all very helpful to each other, well, if you’re helpful, that’s great. But what if you had 18 of those 20? Who were kind of freeloaders? Yeah freeloaders, and they weren’t compassionate, they weren’t very educated to help you. You can see the the challenge with that, that’s what happens when your microbiome is really not doing well, which is most people microbiome again, a lot of it’s, you know, in the gut, but like you said this even on the skin, it’s everywhere, and they outnumber us. And they’re being fed or not fed, but food and thoughts, pardon, and our thoughts and our thoughts, emotions play a humongous role. The older I get, and the more stories I hear, the more I realize the impact and the toxicity of shoving emotions down and trying to hide and distract yourself from them. And that fact that we don’t really have a good system to help people through that. So I’m partially always cleansing myself of the emotions or balancing them, I guess, is a better way. Because I know nutrients alone are not going to keep me optimally healthy exercise alone there five days a week in the gym. But there’s still something missing. And that missing is being in a contented joyous state. That’s not being drugged down by the the ghost of my past, and working on that inner journey. And that guest comes from being older, I certainly wouldn’t like this at 25. And now that I’m 105 I’m thinking a little more about that. So, you know, we got only a few more minutes, but as far again as a soil, yeah. Well, I mean, what does the person do? I know we can nutrition we can help them greatly with with a plan for supplements, we actually help a lot with of course, blood testing, and also some of the emotional components. We have some practitioners that help you with that. But when you start thinking of your eating plan, what would be some good advice for people to raise their level

Amber Vitale 27:06
you’ve got your core for I’ve got my trifecta of health, I see it as a triangle. And there’s just some things that link us back to ancestral ways of eating and living, which was really only a couple 100 years ago that we can’t do without and supplementation, you know, everybody needs a probiotic. Why? Because we’re not eating out of the soil. I really don’t need soil based organisms anymore, because I throw the ball for my dog. And he dropped it in the sheep poop that was in the pasture. So I know I’m getting soil based organisms all the time from my dog, but I still get i We have gummies that have soil based organisms with it. So I like him. I eat him anyway. But a probiotic with lactone Bifido because I don’t eat enough fermented food, and neither do most people know. And we always did, our food was either slightly spoiled or fermented for preservation, or we were eating it straight out of the soil or straight off of an animal. So if you aren’t doing those things, you need a probiotic. So that’s number one. Number two, I’m with you. d3, but I put that in the endocannabinoid system corner. Because there’s so many things that help your endocannabinoid system, part of it is getting outside exercising. We were always outside, even. Okay, if you live in the far, far, far north, and you heard reindeer, they’re drinking that reindeer milk. They’re eating reindeer, mink, reindeer, Oregon’s and they’re getting the d3 that that reindeer has created out of eating lichen. This has been proven now. And so even people who aren’t that exposed to direct sunlight are getting it from their diet. We don’t we do not. So supplement your d3. It’s extremely important. Now you can combine two corners at once. If you do an Omega three, which is the third thing that everybody is missing, do a cod liver oil that has d3 in it naturally occurring. Now you’re getting at the way our ancestors did. So you could do that. The other thing about the endocannabinoid system, it’s about sleep stress management. It’s about exercise, right? endocannabinoid system doesn’t mean CBD or THC. We have a system. Even akinesia Kava Kava truffles, the mushrooms, chocolate. There’s all these things turmeric that interact with the endocannabinoid system and throughout human history and throughout the world. People have an endocannabinoid system that is being nourished, your stress depletes it, period that causes you digestive problems that makes you need a probiotic. And if you don’t have omega three fats in your diet, you can’t even make your own endocannabinoids your pharmacy can’t run. You can’t make them. The balancing was we need Omega six and Omega three we get way too much Omega six from Mexican food on Saturdays. And so we don’t need to supplement that. But we do need omega threes because why our ancestors were out eating seeds, nuts, eating an animal that was grazing, eating fish and we always got omega threes and we don’t know we just don’t. So these three things are crucial and then On the side, if you need help with sleep, if you need help with stress, your customer walks in your client or patient and they’re not sleeping and they’re stressing, we have to deal with that. First, we have to deal with that. First, it’s even more important than a probiotic if we’re on a budget. Because if they’re not sleeping, and they’re stressing, they’re going to undo all the good that you’re doing with the supplementation. So it’s all about prioritizing. It is about meeting a person where they’re at, what are they complaining about the most? What’s really, really, really bothering them right now. You know, and we have to address you said,

Ed Jones 30:30
there’s some underlying things like lack of sleep, that’s going to devastate the ability of the good stuff to work. I had a lady just yesterday, and she’s going through serious depression, she had been on drugs before, and she just did like the numbness factor of the pharmaceuticals. So she went off and did pretty well for a year or two. Now she’s kind of falling back. And she’s wanting to stay away from the pharmaceuticals while we get talking about it. And she literally sleeps three hours at night. And I said, You know what, regardless of what you do, nutritionally, it’s not going to work very well until we can work on your sleep. And I did, I have a podcast called The holistic navigator. If you Google that with the word sleep, I have my 35 minute video audio on how to reregulate your sleep gives you some very, very good points. But it’s very important, it’s very vital. In fact, I have this ring called an aura ring, which I’ve talked about, it has been a lifesaver to me, because it regulates it reads exactly how much rem and deep and oxygen levels and heart rate variability. And so it’s allowed me to put together a plan even though I’m very intuitive about my health, it taught me maybe these supplements weren’t helping me for some, maybe they were actually preventing me from sleeping well, because I was doing them too late. How about looking at my phone too late at night? How about getting home, too? How about a lot of different factors. Well now have connected the dots were reregulated, my sleep based on this ring. It’s hard to do that without information. And again, you know, doing nothing is not going to work, you have to have a plan of action. And again, I say this often create a team have a team, one of your team members is your regular Doc, you if you get a bad Splinter, or you get a UTI, or you get there you go, because they’re really good at diagnosing they’re really good at keeping you from getting in serious condition if something’s going on, but your other team members, you cannot just have that as your own. You have to create other team members, I have about four or five I have an emotional person, you know, we have a massage therapist, I think that’s very important. Integrative physician that deals with more holistic ideas. A lot of these things are part of my team. And that’s what keeps me as optimally healthy as I can. And I know you wouldn’t disagree with that. I

Amber Vitale 32:40
wouldn’t disagree with that. I wouldn’t. And I know that people are on a budget. And so back to that point. You know, you have to we have to help people identify what’s their most important priority in that moment. And then when it comes to certain things, I think people think, well, I can’t afford the best supplements. So I’ll just get something cheap at you know, XYZ big box store. I was at TJ Maxx and I saw this collagen supplement. So I’ll grab it, you know, we think that we’re doing ourselves a favor, really, for almost everything except certain herbals, where you have to reach a certain amount to be effective, by the best that you can find. Even if you take it three days a week, I love please do not buy a cheap fish oil that is oxidized, it’s going to toxify you please don’t buy a cheap multivitamin that is made in a chemical laboratory and represent something from your chemistry one class in high school. It’s not helping you, you know, get the best quality, most food like supplement that you can that your body can utilize. Even if you budget it, even if you only take it on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. You know, a lot of people take their supplements five days a week take two day break two day break.

Ed Jones 33:54
I take one day a week off most of the time. Yeah, every Monday.

Amber Vitale 33:57
Yeah, and just let your body there there is such a thing as over supplementing too many antioxidants aren’t actually good for you, you know, babying your body. It’s just like fertilizing your garden. Instead of making the roots grow down to find things you don’t want to over. coddle your body by giving it everything without making it work for it. We want our body to reach and stretch and be a little bit challenged. And this is where the things like intermittent fasting and time restricted eating and you know, carb cycling comes in because it’s tapping into an ancestral way. If you woke up in the morning and stumbled out of your cave and everyone ate the bare meat last night and there’s nothing to eat. You have to go hunting and gathering on an empty stomach without saying oh my blood sugar I’m going to pass out. Right You got to get moving and people didn’t used to complain about that. They did the chores in the morning without breakfast. They milk the cow without breakfast. I guarantee you

Ed Jones 34:51
love it. I love I love your connection with all this. And you know, I did a podcast called How to Be your own superhero and it talked exactly about out, if we don’t put our body and sometimes our mind to the test, as the 10s, last 50,000 years of life had to make us do, we had to do the work when we’re hungry we had, we had times we couldn’t eat we had, we had times where we’re very cold, when times were very hot. Guess what, that did not hurt us. In most cases, it strengthened us. And to go and live a soft lifestyle actually weakens us on so many levels. I mean, even in the medical field, just think about 30 years ago, when you had if you had knee surgery, we need to rest you need to not be active, we need to let you stay down. Know, even they know now, within one day, you’re up because the body freezes, it becomes a 10 man if you don’t move it. And I want to say lastly, before we end this week, you and I did a podcast on the Omega three issue. I’m pretty certain. That was fantastic, where you talked about dosing quality, and it’s on the holistic navigator on the other podcast site. And it was fantastic. So if people want to log in, and listen, I want to know all about Omega three, listen to you on that podcast, because you explained it extremely well. I’ve told many people about that. So I encourage people. So I want to thank you for all your long travels here. And we will spread the word because you and I have the same passion for doing this. And I think you wake up in the morning and go to bed at night with the same feelings that I have that we have a job to do in this world. And I really feel that in a certain way people like you and our heroes, because we’re fighting a big battle in some ways, because the agenda is not really happy and friendly to us. And we don’t have to do this. So people like you are standing up speaking the truth in the midst of people who are kind of putting us down for that. But you know what, there’s a crowd of people who are really resonating and understand exactly what you talk about with with primal and ancient wisdom and connecting back to the nature and the earth. That did us very well for the 1000s 10s of 1000s of years. Again, I would want to be in that old world because if I accidentally broke my leg, I want somebody just set my leg. If I had a terrible infection, I’m thankful that we have doctors, but as far as the long term optimal health, let’s get back to our common sense and our common wisdom and our instincts that we have lost. I mean, the wild animals still have it if they have terrible belly problems. They’ll eat better foods. I mean, we sell bitters for people have that but we don’t instinctively because we’ve lost it. That’s okay. We have we have people like you who are helping to educate them. So thank you very much. Thank

Amber Vitale 37:32
you so much. All right.

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