Survive and Thrive Under Stress Overload

David Hogsed 0:00
But it’s kind of like this. Now more than ever feeling that I have every day that the tools that I’ve been using for 20 years are needed twice as much as they’ve ever been a man before a man exactly right. So it’s almost like it’s like the best of times. And worst of times, you know, it’s the worst of times with stress. But, you know, as a practitioner using these tools, I just get pumped up more than ever before, to be able to help people not just survive stress, but actually thrive better than they were, you know, with it.

Brian Strickland 0:30
You’re listening to the nutrition world podcast, a show about navigating the intricacies of holistic wellness, where a natural health food store located in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and we believe that optimal health and peak performance should be accessible to everyone. Hey, guys, welcome back to the podcast. My name is Brian Strickland and the producer of the show. And on today’s episode, we have the pleasure of welcoming David hogsett into the studio. David is in full time practice in Fort Myers, Florida at the natural health care professionals clinic. And he specializes in providing nutritional therapies for stress reduction and herbal therapies, digestive health and so much more. But today, we wanted to pick his brain in particular about stress, because it’s something that we’re all experiencing. In fact, many of us are experiencing more of it than ever before. So David’s going to provide some natural solutions and remedies and things that you can do in your own life in order to track stress and help reduce it. We have a great conversation, David was wonderful, he’s full of energy. And we really think that you’re going to enjoy today’s episode. So with that being said, let’s hop into the conversation with Ed Jones and David Hawkshead.

Ed Jones 1:39
Today, we have a guy that I’ve looked forward to coming to this podcast, nutritional world, and David Hogg said, with standard process, and I want to talk about stress, and the title we’re going to speak on today is how to survive stress overload. And of course, I think everyone can communicate with that during the past few years. And with COVID, and everything going on, but even with normal life, there’s a tremendous amount of load that comes with this gunning all the time and never slowing down and, and pushing and pushing like we’re a Ford F 150 truck and we just push that accelerator panel pedal down. And I know personally being 65 years old that the devastation that can come from that. And, you know, I’m like Christopher Columbus, I’m out there. journeying into every kind of alum and land there is to discover what can I use for myself that I can also share with other people. And so today we’ve welcome nutrition world to nutritional podcast, David Hogg. Thank you. So yes, great to be here. And you know, before we’ve already inspired

David Hogsed 2:41
me know you’re you’re 6065 65 Well,

Ed Jones 2:45
and two weeks. Well, I will brag now I have a tick tock videos that have 2.8 million views, and only started six months ago is called Ed Jones 63. If you’re on tick tock, and it all has to do with Jim, and how to work out and how to be the most fit, you can’t. But we’re going to talk today about you know, what is kind of maybe just for a minute, what is stress and why it’s devastating us and there’s nothing wrong with modest stress. Stress is a wonderful thing in our life. But it’s not when it’s overwhelming us. And it’s depressing every system and cute, including the immune system. And I talk a lot about my aura ring, my ring has something on it, which analyzes all my sleep patterns, the deep and the REM and, and now I’m actually starting yesterday reads my oxygen levels. 20 You know, during my sleep, which is phenomenal, but also reads heart rate variability. And I remember a good friend of mine, Dr. Resnick, he tested every single patient whose functional medicine physician that walked into his office for this HRV heart rate variability. Why is that important? Well, it tells the balance between the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system or what is that is kind of like the gas on your car and the brake on your car. And there’s nothing wrong with pushing the gas, but you got to appropriately put the brakes on. And that’s what we don’t do sometimes in this society, which is rest and this disconnecting from the world and allowing ourselves to find that that gentle grounding that we lost in the old days sometimes because, you know, I remember growing up and you may too, you know, there were a lot of boring times during our younger years. Those were valuable. I miss boredom. I know. And today, we all not all, but most people run from that and they distract themselves instantly with this, or TV or eating or drinking or talking or and that’s not good for this whole system. So I’ve talked a lot about it right now. I’m just kind of ramble on as people know that I do. So tell us a little bit about your story. You’ve had 20 years with standard process. Yeah, standard processes. I guess the oldest company in this industry. They’ve been around since 1929. And they believe in food. They believe in the power of farming and how to make supplements based on Connect Trying to the energy of the earth. But without that being said, tell us about what you are and why we want to talk about this stress thing.

David Hogsed 5:07
Well, thank you so much. And yeah, just real quick on the aura ring. It is one of the best stress assessment tools that’s out there. And and you see I’m not wearing mine because ignorance was bliss for a while with not knowing what my sleep quality was, like, you know, go through a stressful time and waking up every morning and seeing, you know, like you said that pushing the accelerator on and you see what your sleep quality score is, you’re like, I think I’ll put this away for a few

Ed Jones 5:32
weeks. So I understand that. Like this morning, I didn’t think I slept too well. And I thought, I don’t really want to look at the score. And already spelled Oh, you are a if anyone wants to order it, it’s just online and you just order it. Yeah,

David Hogsed 5:44
definitely want to get back to that because it is such a great stress tracking tool. But so I’ve actually, my introduction to this whole fun, crazy world of of nutrition was 30 years ago, I was the shortest kid in my class, wanted to play basketball, way past due for my growth spurt. And my dad is a chiropractor. He just retired about a year and a half ago. And he had just heard about a company called standard process. He wasn’t using it, but a lot of chiropractors were. And so he took me to this seminar. And back then it was this famous speaker chiropractor named Dr. Versatile and he does muscle testing techniques. A lot of your viewers may be familiar with that somebody’s muscle tested them to see what kind of Oregon imbalances there or what nutrition might be helpful for them. So I went to this seminar, it was the first nutrition class I’d ever been too scared to death, didn’t know what to make, you know, of all these people and, and he actually got me signed up to be one of the people tested upfront, you know, to see if something that could get me to grow. So it’s my turn, I walk up there, and it’s been filmed. It’s about 200 people. And so he muscle test me, he gets to my pituitary gland, my arm goes weak. And he said, This boy has a pituitary problem. And if he doesn’t take pituitary often PMG from standard process, he’s gonna remain a boy for the rest of his life. Wow. So I just sheepishly walked off. And that was my very first introduction, not just to nutrition, but specifically to standard process. And so I started taking that supplement, and it’s a pituitary nuclear protein extract in it unlocked. What was inhibiting my growth hormone from my pituitary gland grew to a normal height. And at 15 years old, I just knew I want to be involved in this somehow. And I didn’t know how I didn’t know exactly what path but that led me to acupuncture in Florida, we have a great licensing, you know, do herbs and nutrition and all these great things. And so it’s been about 20 years that, you know, my practice, just focused exclusively, or mostly on standard process, nutrition.

Ed Jones 7:56
I love that. And it’s not that you’re selling product, you’re selling a philosophy and a plan that can help people by empowering them. And people who’ve listened to many my old podcast, my personal story is kind of similar. I was about 11 years old, and my dad said, Hey, we have a lady coming to our house tonight from Shaklee. And I’ll still remember so well, being enamored by the fact that she said, nutrients help the body to be healthier and live longer with less disease. And a light went off on it was like, why doesn’t everyone know this? If because that makes such sense to me. And I think that was one of the turning points for me to have this passion for nutrition and learning so I can help other people including myself, that must have been a momentous night it was and I you know, the thing about what you’re talking about is you’re you’re talking about ways that we can empower the weaker parts of our body with non synthetic methods that help us to reach the optimal levels. I loved your your story of being young, and then the Pituitary and the muscle testing. My view on muscle testing is I think there are people who are really good at it. And I think people who think they’re good at it, you got to find the ones who are truly good at it, who are not just trying to sell

David Hogsed 9:07
science behind it, but it is an art form and art also. Yep.

Ed Jones 9:10
So tell us more about what can we do about this stress? And how can we support ourselves?

David Hogsed 9:16
Oh, well, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of like, I know you you’ve probably had this epiphany so many times in the last couple years as you’ve always been passionate about nutrition, you know, you’ve had decades of doing this and such gratification to see these benefits with nutrient trician with the people you know that come in. But it’s kind of like this. Now more than ever, feeling that I have every day that the tools that I’ve been using for 20 years are needed twice as much as they’ve ever been a man before a man exactly right. It’s so it’s almost like it’s like the best of times and worst of times, you know, it’s the worst of times with stress. But, you know, as a practitioner using these tools, I just get pumped up more than ever before, to be able to help people not just survive stress but actually thrive. better than they were, you know with it. And, you know, you mentioned in your intro, I think you talked about, you know, a long distance, long ago word normal life that’s just gone on. And yeah, we’re just at this continuous stuck accelerator pedal to the metal zone now, and that may never change. And so we have to increase the resiliency of our body more than ever before, to deal with stress, you know, like

Ed Jones 10:26
that? Because the truth is this, the techniques and the options we have today will never change. We have to build our ability to handle it, and be more wise about this. So tell us some advice on that.

David Hogsed 10:39
Yeah, well, there’s when I talk about stress management, I like to break it into different tools. Because, you know, everybody, you’ve noticed that everybody’s unique, you know, everybody’s got different, unique nutritional needs, different herbal needs, you know, different therapeutic needs that benefit them more than other people. But there’s also some absolutes for stress management, especially in the modern American person that that’s walking around out there, eating the average American diet, there’s some absolutes that every American is deficient in, or borderline deficient in, that everybody could benefit from supplementing. So one of the absolutes that just I’ve found, and my conviction is growing everyday with it is every American is behind and below their optimal requirements of B vitamin status. So you know, a lot of that goes to not just what we don’t get in the diet anymore. But what we live off of, you know, refined carbs, refined sugar, alcohol, medications, all these things that have made this perfect storm of B vitamin deficiency. And we took a time machine 50 years ago, you know, people were eating, still eating really good quality B, vitamin foods for stress management, that our nervous system needs, our brains, our adrenal glands, you know, blood sugar stability. And the biggest example I like to use is liver. You know, people used to eat liver in and depending on the ages listening, you know, some people will be listening to like, I never eat liver, well, if you’re, you know, 30 and below, or probably even 40. And below, you probably never did eat liver. But anybody over 50 remembers, you know, eating liver at least once a week. And when you look at the nutrient profile, there’s there’s no better food source of B vitamins for stress management than good old fashion, liver. And it’s gone. It’s like the last time our country was in agreement about anything. You know, we’re so divided on everything. But the last thing we’ve all been unified on is livers gross, and we’re not eating anymore. So we’ve lost a major vitamin food source, another big one. And this one is a little easier in that people might bring back into their diet, nutritional yeast, you know, that’s another phenomenal whole food B vitamin source that everybody used to know about. And it just slipped through the cracks, it disappeared. So we’ve got this perfect storm that we lost to really foundational B vitamin foods. At the same time that we started ramping up sugar, carbohydrates, alcohol consumption, that deplete and steal B vitamins from our body.

Ed Jones 13:23
And when that happens, the deficiency causes adrenal dysfunction and it causes the inability to convert food to energy and destabilize brain chemicals. And all this with homocysteine and the MTHFR gene. I mean, you can sleep quality sleep quality, poor

David Hogsed 13:39
sleep is the biggest thing I see my practice with it people that they’re exhausted, they’re just looking forward to hitting the pillow, they’re gonna, you know, they’re gonna fall asleep, but they pop awake and a couple hours, I get about 50% success using no other therapy. They’re just Whole Foods B vitamin extracts for that type. Well,

Ed Jones 13:56
and the key that you’re saying is Whole Foods. I do you know, there’s part of our industry and I’m certainly a part of that too, that there are a lot of medical studies on more synthetic things within the in the world of nutrition and health. And it’s valuable we don’t ignore that but I’m still leaning more to whole food because we’ll never be smarter than Mother Nature ever. And I don’t like folic acid, which is a big whole controversy that you find in every health food store. Most of their babies are full of folic it nature produces folate, not folic and folic is not healthy. We’ve eliminated 99% of every folic acid product at nutrition world because we don’t know we know it’s not healthy. Yeah. So it was funny because I look at tick tock a lot. I mean, I just have learned a lot from tick tock. I’m telling you 30 minutes for I walked in here there’s a gallon tick tock called the liver King.

Unknown Speaker 14:47
Yes, he’s saying exactly what you just said. I wish I looked like lubricate

David Hogsed 14:54
your close look over.

Ed Jones 14:57
It just exactly so how it was kind of getting cold chills like when you said that. So and I’m not a liver person. I’ve literally taken one bite in my whole life. Yeah, nobody insistency of it. Yeah, but I wish I would do a whole food supplement. Yes. So tell us more about that.

David Hogsed 15:12
Yeah. So the one that I, there’s there’s a supplement I literally have every single one of my patients called cataplexy core. Okay, whole food be vitamin base. And when you look at the ingredient list, the first ingredient, surprise, surprise liver to get those whole food, nutrients, even whole food sources of folate, too. One of the worst news pieces about folate and folic acid is green leafy vegetables are some of the best sources of folate. Who gets enough of that. Yeah, you know, so that leads to a second absolute great site to stress management. Everybody is low in those minerals. You mentioned, the gas pedal accelerator in the brakes, with our body uses as the brakes for the nervous system are minerals, and especially the type of minerals that come from green vegetables. So when we’re deficient in green vegetables, we don’t have it no matter how exhausted we are, it feels like we can never shut things off our minds always racing when we lay down like we get muscle cramps, restless leg, we can’t shut our brains down. A lot of that is because of we just don’t get green vegetables. So

Ed Jones 16:18
and and not to interrupt, but we have people who call eating canned green beans, green vegetables, that’s not green vegetables, people. It’s not we you know, first off, we got to have things that are more closer to the ground that aren’t canned that are more fresh that have more phytochemicals in them like brussel sprouts and cabbage and broccoli. We don’t count corn and potatoes and canned green beans, vegetables, please

David Hogsed 16:43
by the way I saw USDA a couple of years ago, they had a graph of the most consumed vegetables in the US. potatoes and tomatoes, number one and two, which translates to French fries and ketchup. Wow. So they take all that into consideration when they make the most consumed vegetables. Wow. So yeah, we’re in trouble with green vegetables for our minerals. So what are the minerals in green vegetables that help us slow down when it’s time to slow down? magnesium, potassium, two of the biggest. And once again, those are minerals that the more carbs and sugar you eat, the more of those minerals you lose, oh, so another supplement in absolute in my practice. I give everybody a concentrated green vegetable supplement as a natural source of those minerals to calm down. And I know you have a lot of great ones you use.

Ed Jones 17:36
Yes, I mean, I drink a green drink every day. I mean, I talk about my my breakfast drink, which I’ve been doing for

David Hogsed 17:43
I saw your video, your breakfast shake today. That was inspiring.

Ed Jones 17:46
Thank you and you know is more keto based, but it always has green vegetables. And I told I tell people probably 10 times a week I said, I’ve tried to take it out. It doesn’t work if the green vegetables are not in there. One is it makes you more alkaline. When you’re acidic, you’re going to be more disease prone and more likely to not feel as well. So greens are very alkaline, and they help offset some of those other things, too. So your greens, I mean, standard process obviously has some green products

David Hogsed 18:13
too. Oh yeah, they have a beautiful organic farm in Palmyra, Wisconsin, the middle of nowhere, but about 80% of what goes into the formulas are actually grown organically railroad site. Yeah. I love that. So mazing and like you said, 1929 Roy, Dr. Roy Lee, he was genius in the realm of engineering, you know, many patents, with with engineering, the governors that regulates a lot of the technology we use today when blenders motors dental drills. So he was the first actually to develop ways that we could extract. You know, today we don’t think anything a big deal about a food supplement. But back in his day, nobody had the technology available to actually process a food, put it into a tablet or capsule form and preserve the nutrients, the enzymes, the minerals, the vitamins without it the cane. And he was really the first to tap into that.

Ed Jones 19:05
We were blessed to to even have you know, the ability to take supplements like that. But back in those days, I cannot imagine. And I’m just, you know, of course I love this industry to death because it’s profoundly impactful on people’s health if they do it properly. I say this on my radio show vital health radio.com constantly, the World Health Organization says 70% of all basic, if we put the word medicines that are in that people use are botanical medicines, that means it’s from the earth. It’s an herbal thing. Why do they do that? It’s inexpensive, it’s safe, if it’s a good product, and it works. And so this country is not part of that 70% Because the medical system doesn’t train people on this. It takes people’s like Doctor of acupuncture and herbalist and people who have a passion to learn this. Now luckily, more and more physicians are stepping outside the box and becoming integrative or functional, and that’s allowing a lot of people to access that I mean, in fact, we now have an integrative physician here in in nutritional world, Dr. Brian Johnson, who’s incredible, and you can book an appointment with him at nutrition w.com on the website if you choose to do that. But I love the whole philosophy of standard process. And I will say, you know, I have heard 1000s At least 1000 stories have not in our center here because we didn’t carry standard process for 42 of the 43 years. But the amount of stories that came to me from outside of my kidneys were struggling and I took a kidney support, not a nutrient that sell but a kidney support. Basically, like your pituitary, you’re talking about exactly that is supported your pituitary to be optimal, did not treat it, it supported it. And you can do that with every body part.

David Hogsed 20:49
You bring up a great point, you know, we’re talking stress management. There’s in this is a concept that’s so foreign to modern America, but like you mentioned around the whole world, it’s still very well known that you know, you eat organs to stay healthy. Yes, you know, we just eat, you know, if we eat anything from the animal, it’s it’s the meat at the muscle meat, and that’s it. But that is a very foreign concept to all of human history. You know, throughout all human history, we ate the organs. And the most important organ to help us manage stress today is actually eating or taking in supplement form the more realistic way adrenal glands, you know, our adrenal glands. Many of your listeners probably heard you talk about adrenals a lot. There’s like your stress batteries, you know that that help you deal with any type of stress you’re under. But the more your body just gets hammered with stress, eventually, your adrenal glands burn out. So Surprise, surprise, the best way to support your adrenals or one of the best ways is to actually take supplements with clean bovine adrenal extracts in them. So it for many reasons. One, they support the gland like you said, but adrenal glands are actually one of the best food sources of vitamin C, really, your body stores more vitamin C in the adrenal glands than any other tissue. So when you when you eat adrenals, or when you take an adrenal supplement, you’re getting this powerful whole food matrix of vitamin C, that doesn’t just help your stress response, but your immune system, too. So we hand out a lot of cow parts. But adrenal, especially in romance was profound. It’s one question

Ed Jones 22:29
before I forget it. Yeah. People who are worried about transmission of things in those glandulars how careful is standard process and making sure that doesn’t happen? Yeah,

David Hogsed 22:38
phenomenal. And, you know, the whole Mad Cow thing. It’s really not even an issue in the supplement industry. You know, that was way overblown itself, but but because of that they took even extra measures, they’ve got a full time, you know, biochemist lab, you know, they’re on site, every batch of anything that comes in, they’re thoroughly screening it for anything, you know, that we could possibly be concerned with. So I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s screened to the hilt.

Ed Jones 23:03
And you know, not normally do I do a podcast where we tend to kind of endorse or push a company, it’s more about empowering with information, but I don’t trust anybody else out there, honestly. And that’s one reason Nutritionals never really delved into glandulars, because I was always leery of sort of the quality and the processing and the raw materials and the transmission, but with your 1929 beginnings, and you have like, what’s that 90 plus years? I, and the stories I’ve heard and the way that I’ve looked into it deeply, I have no qualms at all of taking any of your products, in fact, and many people may know this just on my ramblings, you know, I have chronic bursitis or something in my head, that just is kind of just the only thing I had to deal with. But I’ve just ordered some products that misty the great rep they have that talk to somebody at your company that helps support synovial fluid, and those things that surround a bursa. Well haven’t started yet. I’m gonna start it. It makes it sense. Yeah. Why would we not empower our bodies with similar molecules? And I know in the medical field there probably would laugh at this theory. Oh, absolutely. But it’s quackery it Yeah. But but common sense doesn’t laugh at it, right? It just makes total sense that there’s something inherent in a healthy tissue. Well, it’s not quite like this. But let’s say I needed a kidney transplant, I will take we’re gonna get one from someone else who’s healthy and put it in me, well, why can’t we take some of their substance in them and put it in me before if I don’t need a full transplant? Because that’s going to support my own glands. It just makes such good common sense. Yeah. Why would someone not do that I have a friend right now who, you know, has pretty low GFR, which is kidney function on the blood test. And I told him, I said, Let’s do the standard process, kidney support stuff. And we’re going to do that for eight weeks and he’s going to look because it’s been very standard for so long, that if it helps even a little bit, it will be massively beneficial. I’ve

David Hogsed 24:59
seen some pretty cool changes in GFR. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it totally a little side topic. But if people are interested in actually getting back to foundational eating of getting those organ meats that contain those, you know, unique proteins to eat or go into to support a gland, there are still places you can get it. There’s a website, US wellness meats, Grassley and beef.com. Is the website. Okay? And you can order a liver. You can order adrenal really order kidney, you can order heart. Oh, you’re saying you’re actually going to do it and eat it?

Unknown Speaker 25:35
Yeah, I would.

David Hogsed 25:37
I think I believe I haven’t met too many people that would, but I think you’re actually going to, but literally any organ you can think of, and I, I like showing my patients when they come in, and you know, they’re like, Why do I have to take these pills? I said, you don’t, you know, here’s, here’s a place you can order all these glands. If you want to eat liver, knock yourself out, it’s gonna give you all those B vitamins, and the vast majority would just say, just give me the pill.

Ed Jones 26:04
Pills are certainly easier and more convenient, probably less expensive, actually. Yes. So well, any last words on this stress management? Any other tips that you would like to leave people with? Yeah,

David Hogsed 26:14
well, you know, the food is the is the most important, you know, I use a lot of herbs in my practice, but food is always the most foundational starting with food, you know, because that’s what your body literally uses every single day, every body, you know, needs these nutrients. There’s not one person that gets by without B vitamins are those minerals, the herbs, you know, and there’s great herbs, here, nutrition world, like, plenty ashwagandha things Rhodiola. And those are phenomenal extra layer, 21st century stress survival tools. That’s what we’re gonna be talking about tonight, for those that you know, can tune into that presentation. But now more than ever, is the biggest theme. These things have always been important. I would say to your listeners, if they doubt that they’re in need of these things, get themselves an aura ring. And just see how they’re doing. That will be the proof. If you think you’re doing completely fine with stress. Get yourself in our rain, check your sleep quality, you know, but chances are, that’s going to reveal the truth that your nervous system, your whole body, your your stress adaptation. Could use a little tune up.

Ed Jones 27:23
I wish I could have enough offerings to do on a loaner basis. Oh, 30 days, it’s a great idea. My partner who’s just retired from vital health radio four and a half years Dr. Chris, Chris Green. I got the upgraded RSO I gave him my old one. He was one of those just like everybody else, especially man, we’re awful about just denying the truth. And he said, I think I sleep okay, not great. But I say, Oh, did he find out? Otherwise? Yeah, he did that ring for a month. He was like, I don’t know how I’m still functioning.

David Hogsed 27:52
So you mentioned hurry variability. You know, that’s one of the main things that ring assesses night, there was actually a study that found that was the most predictive, accurate risk factor for sudden cardiac death really heart rate variability.

Ed Jones 28:06
Well, I can tell you this when I’ve had this ring almost a year now. And mine was I’m not gonna say the number. But my number has now gone up almost 40% based on the fact that I knew where it was. And it gave me incentive to do better. Now, I still don’t take the best care of myself with overwork and too much sleep and little craziness in my life. But it put some pieces together for me that the HRV has gone up now. You said it measures the oxygen just as of this week, as long as the oxygen right. So I think for people and it’s just pure ideal myself, I really believe people may find that if they’re running in the 80% Oxygen, it’s time to look into something even 92% and less at night. So this will be awesome for changing people’s health. And again, we don’t do anything with it. Just go to aura, ring on the internet and ordered if we get a sponsor by them, I know. All right, Dave. Well, thank you. So thank you so much changer, I do believe it’s very, very practical, common sense. extremely safe. Why not do it because I one thing I’ll say is, if we address stress, you’re going to feel the difference. This isn’t like we’re going to reduce cancer rates. So you don’t always feel the things that may do that because you just stay moderately well. But when you need more energy and more stamina and more this, that doesn’t mean we’re going to have perfect days, we’re still going to have some days we slide off the cliff or we’re going to feel pretty lousy, but those just come with living, especially you know, as we get older, but if 85% of your days can be pretty darn good. That’s better than the majority of people who are logging through life right now, slugging especially through the two years of COVID that knocked people from already not in a good place to a lower level. It’s time to empower ourselves and you do that not with medications because they don’t support the body. They’re there for emergency use, and they’re there to help save people’s lives. But they’re not there to build the long term empowerment that we do as nutrition our called nutrition counselors, experts and whatever. Thank you so much for what you’ve done and your experience with standard process and we look forward to another lecture or another podcast perhaps because we talked about hyperbaric before we started this huge fan of hyperbaric right now. I’m actually doing it locally and right down on East brand road and I love the effects I’m doing three times a week if

David Hogsed 30:20
you’re if your brain has been knocked down big time from stress, that is a great therapy to get your brain back hyperbaric ox love

Ed Jones 30:27
it. I know you got a lot of experience, we may want to delve into that. So thanks so much for joining us. Thank you.