Is Hydrolyzed Liquid Collagen Nature's Optimal Nutrition?

Collagen supplements are really popular right now. Many promise younger looking skin, healthy hair and nails, and relief from stiff joints. While many of those benefits may be possible, there is one collagen supplement that still stands a cut above. Aminosculpt collagen from Health Direct is a medical grade, hydrolyzed liquid collagen that packs an insane amount of nutrients in just a one ounce serving. This week we sit down with HealthDirect founder Jim Caras to discuss exactly what makes this collagen so unique.

 

Meet Jim Caras:

In 1996, after losing over 25 pounds and dramatically changing his shape, Jim was urged by friends and family to make his personal health "secrets," formulas, and programs available to them and to the public. After extensive research and preparation, he launched Health Direct in April of 1996. Since then, it has empowered millions of consumers worldwide in their pursuit of optimal health.

Health Direct specializes in a boutique selection of innovative anti-aging solutions to allow persons to direct their health, improve their quality of life and unlock their potential, through the power of optimal nutrition. Their dietary supplements address common problems that come with age including unwanted weight gain, sluggish energy levels, joint discomfort and a host of other issues that can lower your quality of life.

Their team continually searches for cutting-edge nutrients they believe can help you age more gracefully and substantiate that the purported benefits of these ingredients are backed by good science and solid evidence. Their partners carefully screen raw materials and then produce the supplements under exhaustive pharmaceutical-grade Good Manufacturing Protocols (cGMPs) to ensure their potency, purity, and effectiveness.

 

Some Topics We Discuss:

  • 4:00 - How collagen changed Jim's life.
  • 5:58 - What is collagen and why should somebody supplement with collagen?
  • 8:00 - What is "medical grade" collagen and what is it used for?
  • 9:14 - What is different about medical grade collagen than other supplements?
  • 10:25 - Why is sourcing important and how is liquid superior to powders?
  • 10: 42 - What is hydrolyzed collagen?
  • 12:03 - Are all peptides the same?
  • 13:42 - Can collagen be used as a meal replacement?
  • 15:50 - Collagen amino acid profile vs whey protein.
  • 17:53 - Collagen promotes lean body mass.
  • 20:58 - There are 28 different types of collagen.
  • 23:31 - What time of day should you take a liquid collagen supplement?
  • 25:40 - Fun ways to take liquid collagen if you don't like the taste.
  • 29:10 - What age should someone consider a collagen supplement?

Jim Caras 0:00
collagen has high nitrogen amino acids, two times more than whey. So for instance, glycine, arginine, proline, hydroxyproline, hydroxy, lysine. Those are high nitrogen amino acids. Those are amino acids that build and repair your body. They help to repair tissues, they help build your lean body mass, they serve a number of functions in the body that way, that's the whole building, repairing, feeling more youthful, getting the effects of restoring your body. Now, compared to whey protein, just to give you an example, collagen has glycine 451% More glycine than whey protein, about 160% More arginine than whey protein, and somewhere around 130% More Prolene than whey protein. Those are what makes it different. That's why people in a small dose of collagen, get a robust benefits for hair, skin and nails and body repair.

Brian Strickland 0:56
You're listening to the nutritional world podcast a show about navigating the intricacies of holistic wellness. We're a natural health food store located in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and we believe that optimal health and peak performance should be accessible to everyone. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. My name is Brian Strickland. I'm the producer of the show. And on today's episode, we're speaking with Jim Karis. Jim is the founder of a company called Health direct, and they specialize in hydrolyzed medical grade collagen, amongst some other supplements, but really, that's their bread and butter. And what we want to talk about today, collagen is kind of a popular supplement at the moment, and there's a lot of misinformation surrounding it. But Jim does a great job of walking us through the ins and outs of collagen and how it can benefit you. And the difference between medical grade, and then what some other products that you might find on the market. So we've got a chock full episode for you today, sit back, relax. And let's go ahead and hop into the conversation with Jim and Edie.

Ed Jones 1:58
You know, as everyone who ever has any history on me at Jones, I know that I've been doing this for 43 years, I've seen pretty much everything from A to Z as far as information as far as products. But there's one product that I think we need to educate on myself and other people. And it's something that's grown exponentially over the past five to seven years. And that's collagen. And there's a lot of confusion around college and because we've carried it for, I guess, 20 years, but we only carried one particular one, which we're going to talk about. And then after about 12 years ago, multiple companies probably most of the companies in our in nutrition industry have some type of collagen product, what a day I have the probably the most experienced person in in this whole arena talking today about this college and and educating you and myself on the benefits and also how to be more empowered to decide which brand you want. And so today we have Jim Kerris, and welcome to nutrition worlds podcast. Well, thank you for having me, Edie jam has got a solid 25 year history in this industry. He he actually established a collagen company way before anyone else even really knew what the word collagen meant. And I think we've carried that particular product for 20 plus years. He wrote a book long ago called weight loss and anti aging based on some of the benefits that were known to almost no one two and three decades ago. And so he is the Health Director of Health direct company. And it's amazing company very, very solid. I've never been displeased with any of the products that you have made. But today we're going to learn about how do we really empower ourselves with information because everyone sees these colleges and they say type two, type three, seven types, liquid capsules, powders. First off, what is collagen? And why would somebody want to take it? Okay. Well, thanks for having me on it. I appreciate it. And I love talking about collagen because it's changed my life. So maybe I can start with a little story of why people would like to take it because it's interesting. So 25 or so years ago, right before I started the company, I had trouble losing weight. I had pain issues, back issues. I was feeling sluggish. And I was doing everything I could to try to rectify it. I was dieting, I tried different diets, all different types of diets. I'd exercise six days a week I do aerobics, I do weights. I tried different weight loss supplements. And what happened was, basically I lose a few pounds. And then six weeks later, you know I go to a family event. I always say I'm Greek I'd go to a Greek wedding, which is actually what happened true story. And I gained more weight in two days and I lost and in six weeks I got really frustrating but I didn't give up. And one day I sat in a seminar from a man who happened to be the person that created hydrolyzed collagen. This was

Jim Caras 5:00
About 27 years ago, right before healthdirect started, and I learned about collagen and it was only met this college it was only medically used at the time, in my my, it just, I lit up because I said this might be one of the things I'm missing. So I basically created a program for myself out of trial and error of eating certain foods not eating certain foods to correct my body, I added the collagen to it. And basically in 67 days, I lost 25 pounds gained six pounds of muscle loss 13 inches. All over my body lost four inches and my weight completely transformed my body. And that's how I learned about collagen. And from that point on, I learned about the weight loss door I learned about it for what it could do for my for just my aches and pains. But then there became so many other applications from it over the years that I learned that was medically used, and people just not familiar with it. So I love talking about collagen. You asked me what makes collagen different. So what's interesting about collagen, or why someone should take collagen is basically I break up the body in three different parts. I like to keep it simple. I say our bodies are basically three things. We're water, protein and fat. Okay, the protein is called what I call lean body mass. And lean body mass is everything that's not the water and fat. So your people are familiar with your skin, your hair, your nails, it's your organs, it's your bones, it's all all the tissue in your body. What's interesting is 30% of that is collagen. And the average person loses 1% of collagen per year. And so if we're losing our collagen, we're losing that lean body mass. And so what takes place is 90% of your hair, skin and nails are collagen. Your brain is a significant portion, your eyes, your lungs, all the major components, everything that surrounds your blood vessels, your organs. Basically collagen comes from a Greek word kala which means glue. And collagen is the glue that holds your body together. So as your body ages, and you lose 1% A year from the year about 2025 on, you become collagen deficient. And so a lot of people think, Oh, I'm aging, I'm getting older, I should feel you know, my hair's not as nice, it's more brittle, doesn't grow slow, my nails aren't good. That's the cosmetic parts. But then they start noticing their achy, when they get up, they have aches and pains, they lose their body mass are skinny, they're skinny, what I call skinny fat, they're not as toned as they used to be. A lot of that is collagen loss. And when we supplement with collagen, we could repair and build our body. So supplementing is a very efficient way to raise the level of collagen, which then of course, people can receive the results of taking the collagen. And I know that a lot of studies have been done now on collagen. And I guess early on there, obviously were more studies and I realized because you were using a college and it was really medical grade, what were they using that collagen for in the medical field, the original patents on the product were used for they were used for high protein nutrition they were used for burn victims for wound healing, for cancer nutrition as far as keeping lean body mass on cancer patients. People with heart issues anyone anyone that was older that would lose muscle tissue because of a condition would benefit from collagen, also to build and repair skin tissues post surgically to to heal wounds and tissues quicker. It's been used. It's used currently in dialysis clinics, which is interesting to help stop the catabolic breakdown of protein in the body. After dialysis. It puts people in an anabolic state so they don't they have higher protein levels in the body. It's used in nursing homes, so a lot of us have older parents in nursing homes, they get bedsores our college and has patents on it clinical studies on it. Were talks where it shows that the liquid medic we're talking liquid medical grade college now, where the liquid medical grade collagen is actually used in nursing homes to heal bedsore wounds. Wow, really, now that medical college and how different is that then are on over the counter collagen is it greatly different are about the same? It's it's different. First of all, it's in the liquid state. So doctors use liquid, they use liquids liquid collagen, it's highly concentrated. So in one ounce of collagen, you'll get up you'll get up to 18 grams of protein or collagen one little ounce. So as opposed to taking a glass of water powder, stirring it, you're gonna get you know, you're gonna get 10 to 10 to 15 grams in there and you have to drink eight ounces of liquid. So if you think about it in a hospital, you have an elderly patient, someone that's sick, they, they don't have an appetite, they're there, they're not hungry. They just they just need to get nutrition to them. It's a highly effective way of getting it in them. The second the second is the process. As far as how we make the collagen we're the only

Copy that really takes raw collagen hydrolyzes. We can talk about this more in detail if you want, takes raw collagen hydrolyzes, it breaks it down into the peptide form. It's a process we created 40 years ago for hospitals, we're the only ones that still do it really. So we take this collagen, so we use a hospital grade medical grade standard to create the collagen. And the ones that consumers get out of our product is the same thing that's used in the hospitals. Now powders, powders are basically coming from anywhere from three or four or five sources. Okay, powders are made by certain companies, their collagen companies, they make pre hydrolyzed collagen, they hydrolyze it themselves, the collagen companies that sell it are basically and what does hydrolyze mean? hydrolyzed is where we take collagen, and we break it down with enzymes. Okay, and we created by the way, we created the original patent on it that we did way back when was using enzyme, so we're the first to use enzymes before us people would use acids. So we use natural enzymes break down the collagen. So collagen is a very, it's a very like like your skin, your strand of collagen is as strong as a strand of steel. So if you think of it that way, it doesn't break down easy like other proteins. So when you ingest collagen, your buyer is going to have a hard time digesting it. That's why eating raw collagen or foods that may have some collagen in them, it's not a good long term strategy, because you're just not going to absorb much. So we take raw collagen, we hydrolyze it with enzymes, and it's broken down into long chain amino acids. And that's how your body can absorb them. So we take it a step further, we take it and we take the process down. So the the collagen is broken into peptide form, which are di and tripeptides little little chains at two or three peptides or amino acids. And then it's in a forniture body can just absorb without digestion. So that's what makes it that's what hydrolyzed collagen is. But let's talk about peptides, because that's the most important thing. So when we say hydrolyzed collagen, I like to refer to the peptide form because that's the truly absorbable

Ed Jones 11:59
type. And that's what healthdirect has. Yes. And that's and some companies don't have that form,

Jim Caras 12:04
they have the peptide form. But the differences is all these companies are buying from a manufacturer or an ingredient supplier that makes the collagen and does that process. So basically, when you pick up a container of most powders out there, they're all buying them from the same place. They're just scooping them in the container, putting their label on them and selling them. We're the only company I'm aware of that we buy raw collagen, we hydrolyze it ourselves and the original process we've done for hospitals for 40 years, and you get that exact product that we control the whole process on. That's what makes it different. The other thing that makes a difference is this is the product that people have used for hospitals and clinics of use for 40 years over 4000 doctors, clinics and hospitals.

Ed Jones 12:47
I love a history of a product because it shows us so much that we only sometimes can learn through a period of a lot of years. Now what source does your collagen come from? It comes

Jim Caras 12:58
from bovine which would be cow. Okay? And this,

Ed Jones 13:01
I'm sure you have plenty of safety standards where you are very particular about the raw materials, I'm guessing right?

Jim Caras 13:07
Yeah, the materials are hydrolyzed down. So by time you get the product, you're getting almost just amino acids and you nothing else in the the bovine or the cow is present. Okay, so you're just getting an amino acid. And by the way, we talked about the hospital use, the product is so refined, it's also used in tube feeding. And really, yeah, so it's that that much of a refined product, which makes it different as well.

Ed Jones 13:31
Is it a complete protein and can be used in place of a protein food or powder? It can it can It suffices for a guy who works out or for anybody that meal replacement can it be used for that?

Jim Caras 13:42
It can collagen is considered a non non complete protein because it doesn't it collagen naturally doesn't contain tryptophan. Okay, so it's originally years ago, people said, well, it's not a complete protein, it doesn't work the same, but not really, what makes college and different from other proteins is the amino acid structure. So basically the difference between proteins or amino acid structure, the combination in a ratio of those so your whey proteins, your soy, your P, they're all good proteins, but they all contain different amino acids. Collagen is the only one that contains an amino acid structure, pretty close to bio identical to your body. That's why it's allergen free. That's why people who have allergic responses to other proteins can have collagen protein. Number two is collagen contains two amino acids that are not present in other proteins hydroxy, proline and hydroxy lysing. So for instance, when you take one ounce of liquid medical grade protein, you're getting two grams of hydroxy, proline and hydroxy lysing. What's what that means to you is basically that's the amino acid hydroxyproline is the amino acid that holds the collagen strand together. They promote wound healing, basically, repair and building of your body's tissue. That's why those amino acids are so important. And so the only way to get those two is in collagen. That's why there's no such thing as a vegan collagen, because those don't exist in, in, in vegan foods. The other thing is that makes collagen a good protein, I would say a good protein source, in my opinion, is that it's very high and high nitrogen amino acids. So this is what also makes this is why when you eat chicken, fish, steak, take whey protein, soy protein, those are good. Everyone needs protein. And those would I call macro protein, you need them as a macro source of your diet. Collagen is more medicinal, you would take a lower amount to get a great effect to your body. As far as the building and repairing you don't need a lot of it. But if someone wants it as a protein source, it's going to be fine, because the older they get, the less tryptophan they basically need in their body. But the other difference add is that collagen has high nitrogen amino acids, two times more than whey. So for instance, glycine, arginine, proline, hydroxyproline, hydroxy, lysine, those are high nitrogen amino acids, those are amino acids that build and repair your body. They help to repair tissues, they help build your lean body mass, they serve a number of functions in the body that way, that's the whole building, repairing, feeling more youthful, getting the effects of restoring your body. Now, compared to whey protein, just to give you an example, collagen has glycine 451% More glycine than whey protein, about 160% More arginine than whey protein, and somewhere around 130%, more Prolene than whey protein. Those are what's makes it different. That's why people in a small dose of collagen, get a robust benefits for hair, skin and nails and body repair.

Ed Jones 16:47
Wow. And there's no doubt people can see a difference in four to eight weeks when they use this type of college. And because I have those testimonies, I hear people to one two thoughts on my mind. One is I know, I talk a lot about roundup and the dangers of Roundup, because it is a very significant concern in our future of this of this world in our health because it was patented as an antibiotic in the early 70s. It now it's on most foods, but glycine helps block that in some of the studies that I've seen. Secondly, I did a podcast on the holistic navigator on osteoporosis. And I know again, I put stresses for the past 20 years, your bones are not just made of calcium, they're made of collagen. And you can't just take calcium and expect osteoporosis to slow down or stop or rebuild, you have to rebuild collagen. Because that is like you said earlier the strength of steel. That's why you can rebuild a big bone mass with medical intervention. But it's brittle bone mass, because it's not building collagen. It's building the size of the bone. So don't be misled in your journey of osteoporosis if like, Oh, your bones are getting bigger, that doesn't really matter is how brittle are they? And to take collagen or other things that build build your own bone collagen is imperative for your for your health and for rejuvenating those bones. I'm sure you agree. I agree

Jim Caras 17:57
90% of your inorganic bone mass is collagen. Wow. So you're absolutely right. When we talk about when I always go back to the example when I talked about your body's you know, water, protein and fat and the protein is the lean body mass, that's bone. So if that's declining with age, and you can increase it by increasing your collagen intake, then basically you're repairing strengthening bone tissue as well. There's an interesting study on our products. So there's there's three what I call landmark studies that are just they're not supplements, these their medical studies on college, and they were done on liquid medical grade collagen. One was interesting because it took these are all published studies. This was in the journal published study. It took elderly women which I liked the study because it wasn't taking young men that are growing that are bodybuilders it wasn't taking middle it was taking people that needed lean body mass, and it compared collagen protein two whey protein. What it showed is the difference between the two after the study period of and what happened in this study that people were given specific foods to eat. And they were kept in a bubble. So it's just adding the collagen or adding the way to the exact food source that they were eating. What happened at the end of the study is collagen significantly increased lean body mass where there was very little effect on whey protein, all all within a a short period of a little over a week. So it shows the difference there. Now let's go back to lean body mass, bones, tissues, Oregon skin. So if you're repairing lean body mass and increasing it, you're increasing, you're increasing. That's what lean body mass is. And that was without exercise, by the way, which to me, that was the underlying part of this study, which is interesting that we're increasing lean body mass without exercise,

Ed Jones 19:47
and more studies are coming out correlating the lean body mass to longevity. It isn't really about the aerobic fitness of being able to run a five and a half minute mile. It's really how good can you lift weights and how strong is your lean muscle? So that is what is the powerhouse for aging. Because when we get older we have accidents we fall we get sickly the thing that preserves us the engine, the fire the gas, and that is lean body mass. And I'm very invested being the age that I am to maintain that I will have to say personal testimony I've been offered on your product for a couple years I've had a chronic issue with is probably basic bursitis within the hip. Now bursitis is different than arthritis. I didn't expect it to cure me. But I have just last weekend completed a physique contest here locally. And I definitely saw body fat reduction and maintenance maintenance of muscle. Because I used entire capital every day, I just did it once a day I did after I left the gym and I came to work. And I'm very, very happy with that. And you know, I I'm just very pleased with it, because I've used many colleges and they all have some benefit, but yours has how many different what I say versions of college and 20 something what is it

Jim Caras 20:58
is yes, the types of collagen. And I'm gonna come back to the weight loss, okay, muscle part connection to in a moment. But yeah, there's 20 different types of collagen in the bar 2828 different types. So ours is so this is a good, what I call a fallacy to or a myth to correct out there. There's a lot of colleges out there. Lately, the trend has been, oh, we have type 1245 10 That ended up okay, there's 28 different types of collagen in the body. So your body is smart, your body knows what to do. When you how collagen works in the body is doing two things, the mechanism of action when you when you ingest collagen, a highly absorbable peptide, okay? What takes place is one, you're adding the amino acids that are collagen, amino acids, these high nitrogen amino acids to have an effect on your body to is the other effect. And the main effect how collagen works is that when it's a highly absorbable peptide, those peptides when they when they enter the bloodstream, they're stimulating the growth of new collagen. So it's it's stimulating the growth of collagen in your body. Okay. So if you think about it, your body's smart, your body just doesn't say I've taken type one, I'm only going to do type one, your body stimulates all 28 types. That's why you don't need to add these other colleges to the body, you just need a really good type one collagen 90% of your body has type one, by the way. So if I haven't mentioned that, that's another important feature here. But the other thing is the weight of the medical study, 40 years of use all the studies 90% of 90 plus percent of the studies are done on type one, for this reason, they're not done on 345 10. To me, it's just that's why we've always had type one. That's why we'll only have type one, because it's affecting it's a whole body collagen, it's building all 28 types.

Ed Jones 22:48
Wow. So and you're I'm so connected with your statement that the body has wisdom, and it knows what to do when we give it what it needs. And we I don't think we'll ever be smarter than the mechanisms of action within our own body. But I go back to, you know, common sense wisdom, wisdom of the ancients. And we rarely can go wrong with that. And that's where a lot of the medical intellectualism is being worshipped. And there's so much that can be left out of textbooks that have to do with the wisdom of the body. But again, I think we have a lot of people who are seeking that this kind of more holistic information. Now, lastly, and we can you can talk whatever else yeah, now sleep at how is it helping sleep?

Jim Caras 23:31
Okay, it's really okay. So 25 years ago, when I started recommending collagen for weight loss and overall body health, an interesting thing happened. I tell people, my my opinion from 25 years of experience using collagen, the number one best time to use it as at bedtime on an empty stomach. Okay, you're gonna max. You don't need to have our collagen on an empty stomach, the liquid medical grade or most other colleges, but to me, it's just going to work more efficiently that way. So bedtime is the best time. So what would happen is I kept getting all these people telling me, Jim, I'm sleeping better. I have a really sound night's sleep, I wake up more refreshed. And we were like there's no studies on this. How's How's college and working that way? Well, years later, the studies on glycine finally caught up where there were studies on glycine that said glycine induces it doesn't put you asleep but it induces a deeper better sleep infections. It affects core body temperature helps to lower it so you sleep deeper. And so glycine has a positive effect on a good night's sleep. Well, one ounce of liquid medical grade collagen contains 3.2 grams naturally of glycine. So you get that benefit. You know once again we talked about 450% More glycine than whey protein collagen contains so that's where you're getting these benefits. That's why when it's not in food, and it's easily absorbable you take it a bedtime you get that sleep effect now that the beauty of it is it doesn't put you to sleep during the daytime. You know it's self regulating, you take it at bedtime and works that way but it's not going to put you to bed if you take it in The Morning or night,

Ed Jones 25:00
it just I feel like because I finished working out early I get to the store, I tend to have an empty stomach. I want to, I used to do a protein drink, but now I'm doing the collagen. And I'm feeling very, very good on it. Now we'll have to say, you know, the taste is you got two different kinds of Yeah, concentrations. Some people won't like the taste. I mean, I'm just being honest, I don't mind it at all. It's very thick. It's honey. Like, I tend to spill it sometimes, like I did yesterday and had to clean the floor up, but because it drips down the ball, because I'm too lazy. But I really now. So tell me about taste? How do people get around it? If they don't like it? Can they refrigerate it should they not tell me a couple of tips before we

Jim Caras 25:40
college and you don't have to refrigerate it just room temperature is fine. It's because ours is so concentrated, one ounce is 18 grams, it's thicker, and it's stronger. So you can just take it in, if you want to add it to some extra water like one or two, that's what I did, it'll completely dilute the taste, it'll taste smoother. So we're concentrating it we have the two types, we have what I call the blue label product, which is 10 grams of collagen. And we have collagen and a red label. That's 18 grams per ounce. So you get the two the extra strength, you get the two, the 10 gram is going to be more watery, because there's less collagen in it. So it's going to be more palatable. The other one, it's it's they're not quite there, but I tell people's Yeah, they're their supplements are not candy. We don't use artificial ingredients, we don't use artificial sweeteners. That's why we'll get the taste pretty good. But it'll never be like candy, so you can dilute it out. So a couple of fun things to do in the summertime. You know, I've noticed you turned up the heat for me when I got out here yesterday, heat wave out here. What's fun to do with our collagen is take a take some sparkling water, put an ounce in it. And basically what you have is it'll dilute the flavor, you'll have a nice hint of the flavor or taste of the flavor in it, it'll be very palatable, you'll love it, it'll be a high protein, sugar free soft drink. Oh, so that's a healthy thing to do for kids or for the family in the summertime, we have had a lot of moms that take it and dilute it out and freeze it and make popsicle sticks for the kids. So high protein, low sugar, popsicle sticks, so you can have you can have fun with it. Or you can just take it straight, it's whatever, whatever, whatever you like.

Ed Jones 27:18
So mentioning that. So it's obviously great for kids, there's no one who can't take it is there anyone

Jim Caras 27:23
really, really really know what I mean anyone that may have a medical condition that were their proteins being regulated, or their, for whatever, maybe they have a rare collagen disease, I would say something like that. But outside of that, because it's hydrolyzed pre digested easily absorbed. collagen, which is protein, pretty much anyone can take it. I love that.

Ed Jones 27:43
And again, we're not doing any advice here for medical issues. And if people have serious issues, check with your doctor first. But we're talking about a natural product from the earth, it just, it's been worked on to make it more efficient. So this is so informative, we got the benefit of collagen, which I have seen 1000s of times not 100 Because people come in and tell me a lot of stories. I personally used the healthdirect one. Now for over a year and a half, I'm very pleased with it. And everyone sees results with skin, hair and nails. Now that's like an absolute to me. So if that's something you need, and then on top of that we've got the benefit of the muscle, the lean muscle. My comment about glyphosate and Roundup, we've got all the things that you talked about. So it's almost like, you know, we talked about what we call the core for it. Nutrition world is something I came up with years ago, you know, we got 1000 products, people walk in and say, What do I take? I'm just overwhelmed if they don't have people who can advise them? Well, we really feel the core for the multi right multivitamin, not the syndrome, the right Omega three, not the ones that are not been tested Mercury, the right green drink and right magnesium, and then we had D on top? Well, it's almost like college and if you're past 45 years old might need to be an addition to like a core four, because the other nutrients really aren't addressing this collagen issue because that's that's kind of a specialty itself. So I'm hugely invested in recommending collagen to people past 45. Would that be an age that you recommend? I

Jim Caras 29:11
would say 44 Liana Yeah, the average person loses 1% a year, and they're starting at their 20s. So if you think about it, by the time someone is about 40, they've lost about 15 to 20% of their college and if anyone and just sugar alcohol, which is pretty much most people in the sun. That's everyone you know if you've had any, we've been in the sun a lot. We've always you know, as kids we were nowadays you can't avoid the sun. So if you're in the sun, you have some sun damage. People that smoke basically, by the way, women at 50 when they you know when they hit menopause at five within five years of menopause, they lose lost 30% of their collagen women in menopause that's never discussed. That is very critical. So anyone as they age can use college and it should take it because 33 percent of your lean body mass is collagen and is declining. It's something everyone should take when you're younger, you should take it to help prevent it. But you'll still see some benefits the hair, skin and nails on younger people is fantastic if anyone has an injury. Like I said, the liquid collagen is used, it increases healing at a rate of two to one over placebo twice. That's a clinical study as well. And we're talking surgery, even neck and we're talking surgery. Yeah, I mean, it's to give you an idea of the safety my mother, she passed away years ago. But before that she had a quadruple bypass when she was about 72. The next day I was in the hospital, I was given I was given her a heavy dose of about 40 grams a day, which is three capsules. What happened is for the healing because I knew the studies on the healing. The doctors were like at 72 They're like what happened you your skin is healed like twice the rate of everyone else. And she was it was it was a very dramatic. So we have those studies that we have those stories all the time, people noticing the rapid repair of their skin. And if you think about it, a wrinkle is skin damage. It's an injury. It's basically I can say almost like an injury of age. Yeah. And that's why it's so important for people

Ed Jones 31:06
I love it. You've been so informative and you know I use the word in all my podcasts my radio show and talking is we have tools that can embrace graceful aging, because don't listen to the suppose it experts who say you're just getting older, just accept it don't have to accept this. We have a toolbox that are so powerful with nature's pharmacy. And then we have experts like you who can educate the details of this because the devils in the details is not just grabbing something it's getting the right product, the right dose at the right time and being committed to it. I mean, I don't know how old you are you got amazing looking skin. I mean, it looks like a 21 year old I'm sure a big part of that.

Jim Caras 31:43
I'm 59 By the way, you're kidding me? Yeah. And I've taken the collagen further 25 years.

Ed Jones 31:47
Well, I just tell you people, I don't know if you can tell from here, but he looks like he's literally 25 years old. I don't think there's been I'm gonna come back here more often. And that shows itself with consistency, not doing something for three months, and then forgetting it. So, you know, Jim, thank you so much for you travel all the way from California, you're here to help help other people help us. And I know this will be valuable to so many. And it's going to really change the quality of life and offer graceful aging for those of us past 45 When I get to be 45 I'm gonna start taking

Jim Caras 32:18
well, and I appreciate it and you do wonderful work here, you and your staff, you care about people, you change people's health and it's an honor to be here with you.

Ed Jones 32:26
Thank you and and again, you're president of health direct collagen, and it's certainly something that I will recommend, as I always have but I'll even be more aggressive with that because now I know more of the details and so I want to learn as much as anyone else does. So you've been an instructor for me so thank you so much for being here for what Christian world's podcasts. You're

Jim Caras 32:45
welcome and it's health records the company and by the way, amino sculpt is the brand of liquid medical. Great, thank you for case anyone wanted

Ed Jones 32:51
to that is perfect. Yeah, I mean no scope. All right. Thank you. Safe travels back. Thank you. Thanks.

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